One of Britain's foremost journalists on Scotland has said there's every chance the country would vote for independence - and if we don't believe that, we're deluded.
Alex Massie, Scotland editor of The Spectator, spoke to Julia Hartley-Brewer about Nicola Sturgeon's plans for a new referendum, announced yesterday.
Massie told Julia Hartley-Brewer that "anyone in Whitehall or Westminster who thinks this is all fine, there is no risk, no danger here and so on, is deluding themselves" because it's "entirely possbile" that Scotland will vote for independence.
He also believes if independence is voted for it could "one day be seen as one of the Brexit consequences."
Massie added that there are Conservative MPs who are claiming the referendum should not be held until the 2021 Scottish Parliamentary elections to give the SNP a mandate, but he thinks this would be "extremely foolish."
Listen to the full interview above to find out more