Clubs are safe environments, but at an illegal rave if something bad happens you don't know if there's someone there to pick you up and put you back together again.
That's according to Alex Proud, a director at the Night Time Industries Association who made the comments after it emerged the number of illegal raves in London has almost doubled since 2016.
One of the causes of this is said to be the closure of several clubs. The Association of Licensed Multiple Retailers claims between 2005 and 2015, more than half of all clubs in London closed.
Proud, who is about to open a new club, told Jamie East and Michelle Dewberry: "Clubs are really safe environments to go and party in. The problem with illegal raves is often they aren’t and you don’t know what’s going on and if something bad happens to you, you don’t know if there’s going to be someone to pick you up and put you back together again."
He claims police have realised "whilst serious crime like rape etc is very difficult to solve, if you concentrate resources on really petty crimes like phone theft you can solve a lot of crime" and that pushes up statistics.
"Councils are all over clubs because residents complain" and clubs have this issue "on top of licensing tax, late opening tax, health and safety.
"Obviously the problem you’ve got is as property prices go up some greedy developer somewhere thinks that sticking 500 tiny flats for £1 million each is going to make more money than the club."
Listen to the full interview above