Julia Hartley-Brewer has challenged a member of the Scottish National Party over the position of Scotland in the education league tables.
Ronnie Cowan, the SNP MP for Inverclyde, came on talkRADIO to argue the case for a second independence referendum.
He was particularly forthright on claims that Nicola Sturgeon and the Scottish government were so focused on a second bid for independence they were neglecting "the day job" of focusing on other key policy areas, like education.
He said: "The Scottish Government is getting on with the day job, no one can say we’ve not been doing that."
The conversation then turned to the state of schools in Scotland, where Julia challenged him over the fact Scottish schools were falling down the international league tables.
Cowan had little truck with Julia's line of questioning, saying “don’t listen to the league tables” - a suggestion which drew incredulity from our presenter.