Julia Hartley-Brewer has claimed criticism of MP Sarah Champion sends the message that we should keep quiet about gang rape or be branded racist.
Champion has resigned from the shadow cabinet after criticism about an article she wrote on grooming gangs where she said "Britain has a problem with British Pakistani men raping and exploiting white girls." She has now apologised for an "extremely poor choice of words."
Khalid Mahmood, Labour MP for Birmingham Perry Barr and a practising Muslim, told Julia Hartley-Brewer the way the article came across was "that she’s inditing the whole community and that’s the problem."
But Julia claimed: "Are we not sending the message that everyone has to keep quiet about this because otherwise you’re racist?"
Mahmood said: "The headline didn’t help what we’re trying to get to, and we’re trying to get to these individuals of Pakistani origin in the community. [We] shouldn't indite the whole of the community."
Julia went on to say that "people aren’t speaking out [about the issue] and this so-called - in inverted commas, your words - ‘Muslim community’, isn’t speaking out."
But Mahmood argued "the institutions also haven’t reported this, the police haven’t reported this, social services haven’t reported this, councils as in Rotherham haven’t reported this.
"When everybody in those institutions don’t support it, other people find it difficult."
Listen to the full interview above