Julia Hartley-Brewer had a fiery Brexit debate with Tony Blair's former spin doctor Alastair Campbell this morning, which rapidly degenerated into a slanging match.
Campbell repeatedly told Julia that "people like you" were responsible for Brexit, while Julia mocked her guest by saying "silly racists" like her had been ignored for too long.
Campbell, a staunch europhile, suggested that the right-wing press has driven Britain out of the European Union and this is a "catastrophe" for the country.
He claimed "people like you [Julia] have basically projected the European Union as something that is done to us, not something that we can be a part of and be a positive player within."
Campbell claimed if we leave the EU with no deal "it will make project fear look like a picnic" and had another dig at Julia by suggesting "you live in a fantasy world where [Brexit is] all going to be great."
But Julia argued "I'm not ideologically motivated other than I'm a democrat", adding "once we have certainty I am absolutely 100% sure we will be absolutely fine".
Amidst all the sniping there was time for some more expansive discussion, with Campbell suggesting that Theresa May had become a prisoner of the Tory right.
He said: "What’s becoming clearer and clearer to me is that this whole Brexit project, the people who are now urging Theresa May to walk away from a deal... they are basically what I call the old-fashioned hard right."
He believes "the reason why Theresa May looks so wretched is because she is finding that it is going to be impossible to do [a deal] without damaging her own country" and Brexit is now the will of "a hard right in the Tory Party, the hard-right owners of our newspapers."
Listen to the full interview above