Labour's Brexit spokesperson in the Lords has suggested we stop worrying about the EU and fix our attention on Cabinet rebels like Boris Johnson.
Baroness Dianne Hayter said Theresa May's government should "man up" and present a common front in the Brexit negotiations.
"The threats are not coming from across the water," she said. "The threats are coming from a minority within this minority government".
As an example of the perceived Cabinet divisions, Hayter pointed to speculation that Johnson is threatening to write an article, which could open up fresh cracks in Theresa May's team.
However the interview took a rather divisive turn when Julia suggested Hayter stop criticising the Government and asked what Jeremy Corbyn's approach to Brexit would be.
"It's all very feel [saying] 'they need to talk tough'," Julia said. "No-one knows what the Labour position is."
In response, Hayter said "we're not in government" - a response which went down rather badly with our host.
"How on earth can the Labour Party be in a position to judge whether or not the Government's policy is correct if you don't know what your policy is?"