The concept of innocent until proven guilty is not working, and people are being tarred as guilty from the moment they're investigated, according the False Allegations Support Organisation.
Welsh Labour minister Carl Sargeant was found dead at his home yesterday (November 7) and it it believed that he committed suicide. His death comes just days after he was accused of misconduct, and removed from his position as the Welsh secretary for communities and children.
Margaret Gardener, director of the False Allegations Support Organisation, told Julia Hartley-Brewer: "Just because it’s [officially] innocent until proven guilty, it does not work that way. It is guilty from the moment that [the accused] are investigated until they can prove their innocence."
She explained that many people "on a daily basis [tell her] 'I've never been on drugs medication before, I can’t sleep, I can’t eat, I’ve lost x number of weight'," and some are "kicked out of the family home because they've got children under 18."
Julia asked what she'd say in response to those who claim because Sargeant killed himself he must be guilty, she answered: "How on earth do you know? You don't know the facts, none of the facts have been brought forward, so one cannot make a judgement."
Gardener also believes "juries are impressed by what the media say, and juries don’t always make proper judgements because of whatever reasons."
She added in the case of the Westminster Scandal, "everybody's jumping on the bandwagon" and "we can’t tell who the ones are that are guilty and who the ones are that are innocent."
Listen to the full interview above