Mike Graham was forced to defend his old friend Piers Morgan this morning in a debate with a campaigner about Ofcom and media standards.
Graham was chatting to Dr Evan Harris, from media watchdog Hacked Off, after it emerged that Morgan's Good Morning Britain programme topped Ofcom's television complaints list for 2017, centring on an interview with a gay conversion therapist.
Harris said Morgan was a "bully" and said he knew several victims of the former Daily Mirror editor. But Mike ridiculed the notion, and also defended Morgan against Harris's suggestion that Morgan knew about phone-hacking during his time on the tabloid.
Morgan also defended Morgan's decision to interview the gay conversion therapist, saying it's right to discuss such issues out in the open and hold dodgy ideas and practices to account.
Turning to the wider issue of Ofcom standards, Mike said he couldn't get away with a lot of the language used on other radio stations - such as the BBC's Women's Hour programme, which was the subject of an infamous c-bomb in 2016.