talkRADIO presenter Julia Hartley-Brewer has said there's no evidence that Brexit has led to a rise in hate crime.
Our mid-morning host was speaking to race equality analyst Farah Elahi after a Home Office report revealed the number of hate crimes recorded in England and Wales has increased by 29% from 2015-16 to 2016-17.
Julia pointed out that "There's a big difference between reports of something going up and crimes going up," and cited a report by the Civitas thintank, which found there was no evidence that Brexit had driven a rise in hate crime.
Julia added: "There is no evidence from the polling and from our crime statistics that we are a racist society in any way, any different before or after Brexit or compared with other European countries."
But Elahi argued: "I don’t think necessarily a comparative approach with other countries is the best approach because really we should have a zero tolerance approach."
She also said we need to recognise "part of the story here which research has shown comprehensively is that race does impact your outcomes."
Listen to the full interview above