Mike Graham questioned whether a police thinktank director had just been "born out of an egg" as he couldn't believe arguments he was making in favour of the sale of police uniforms.
Sussex Police has been accused of helping criminals impersonate police officers after it emerged it is selling old uniforms on eBay. Just a few weeks ago a couple was conned out of £9,000 by two people dressed as officers.
Rick Muir, the director of the Police Foundation, an independent policing thinktank, told Mike Graham and Katie Perrior that "this has gone on for a very very long time" with many police forces as "sometimes they have surplus supply."
But Mike questioned "why is there a surplus? Who’s buying all these uniforms that nobody needs?"
Muir claimed they're "normally actually bought by private security or often [they are] selling them to police forces overseas" but "they have to remove badges and insignia."
Katie argued that it's easy to buy fake badges and "we don’t look at badges that closely" so sales should be banned. Muir hit back by stating "what is banned is impersonating a police officer."
Given that people regularly face criminal proceedings for this offence, Mike asked "you haven’t just been born out of an egg or something have you?"
Mike also argued "I frankly do not believe that Sussex Police and the Derbyshire Police [another force reportedly selling the uniforms] are putting any of this money back into policing. Unless I see absolute evidence of that, I believe they’re probably putting it into the Christmas fund."
The police researcher suggested the issue needed to be looked at "in the context of massive cuts to police budgets."
Again Mike hit back, saying "maybe it’s because they’re buying too many uniforms. You can’t say they haven’t got enough money and, in the same breath, say they’re buying more uniforms than they need."
By the end of the interview Muir had agreed to "have a little bit of a dig around to see what we can find out" about where money goes from uniform sales.
Listen to the full interview above